Episode 37

#37 Happiness & Ho'oponopono | with Jackie White

Join me and the wonderful Jackie White as we chat about the power of Ho'oponopono, what is it, and how we can improve our happiness.

This conversation was recorded live in February 2023 with interaction from listeners.

Episode Guest:

Jackie White

From leaving school Jackie worked in retail for many years going from sales assistant to management. After having two boys in the nineties and breaking her leg in 1997 and again in 98 she was able to watch daytime TV for the first time ever while her mum took care of her and the boys.

Jackie watched Opera Winfrey every day and was introduced to some of the worlds most positive and motivational people.

It was not until 2010 when Jackie saw an old Oprah programme with Robert Holden a Happiness

Professor on there that he talked about a course he was running in June of that year and Jackie knew it was for her and on top of that the course started on her birthday.

Following that Jackie ran happiness courses and one of the ladies that joined her course started up a Positive Living Group. One month into running it Sally had a personal situation and asked Jackie if she would consider taking it over, fortunate for Jackie, Sally had six months of speakers already booked to speak.

Jackie never looked back, people were asking to be speakers and if their subject lit Jackie up she would book them. There were a few odd evenings that were more situations for Jackie to learn from than what was brought to the group, but they have all got Jackie to where she is today.

When Lock down occurred in March 2020 by August of that year Jackie had tried some live to Facebook talks that were well received and from that Jackie resumed Inspirations Positive Living but online.

Throughout the time of running the group Jackie encountered many people talking about the world situation and the Ascension Path, both she had known little to nothing about before. The last three years have been what some might say is a baptism of fire, Jackie has embraced all she has learnt and as much as possible shared what she has learned with the people she has met along the way.

In 2019 Jackie took the Ho’oponopono and Advanced Ho’oponopono Course where she now loves to share her understanding of that with others as well.


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Transcript
Catherine Edwards:

You know, he can't, we can't get offended by

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something that isn't in our reality.

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It's us that's being offended.

Jackie White:

You don't have to worry about anyone else involved with it.

Jackie White:

You just for yourself, just say, I'm sorry, please forgive me.

Jackie White:

I love you and thank

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you.

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There's no one magic pill for anything.

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You know, all these things, as you say all the time, Jackie, they

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have to, um, resonate with you.

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As you go down the different healing modalities, spiritual methods,

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there's so so many out there and some resonate, everyone will

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resonate with different things.

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You go through stages of discovery and realization and then you

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decide what you're going to do

Jackie White:

about it.

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But if we're just saying I love you and thank you, what could be better

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than putting that out into the world?

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Can you imagine if everybody in the world was saying I love you and

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thank you all the time in their mind?

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What the...

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aura around them with love and gratitude.

Catherine Edwards:

Now, I am delighted to introduce to my Live, Love, Learn podcast

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listeners, the amazing Jackie White.

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And Jackie and I today are going to be talking about the fascinating

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subject of happiness and in particular, a process called Ho'oponopono.

Catherine Edwards:

Now, before I introduce that, let me tell you a little bit about Jackie's background

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Jackie left school and worked in retail for many years.

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And when she had her two boys in the early 90s, um, something happened in 1997.

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And again, in 1998, she broke her leg really badly.

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So twice within a year period.

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And while she was recuperating this for the first time ever, she was able to watch

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daytime TV and discovered Oprah Winfrey.

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And this began her journey into being introduced to some of the world's

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most positive and motivational people.

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Then back in 2010, Jackie saw an old Oprah program with Robert

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Holden, who's a happiness professor.

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And on that program, he talked about a course that he was running

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in June in the UK, and Jackie instantly knew it was for her.

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And surprisingly enough, there were no coincidences in life, the course

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was starting on her birthday, so she took that as a sign and enrolled on

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the happiness course straight away.

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She absolutely loved the course and it opened up a whole

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new way of thinking to her.

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Um, and to, to cut a very long story short, ended up running a positive living

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group, one that she still runs today.

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And on this positive living group, Jackie is able to invest inspirational

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speakers on a whole range of subjects to come and share their wisdom with them.

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And she's learned so much from this.

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Um, Over the 2020, she had to take this online to her Facebook page

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and the link to that will be below.

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Um, and this again, she's carried on the work through that and become an

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expert in happiness and Ho'oponopono.

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So in a nutshell, Jackie is going to explain far more eloquently what

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hoʻoponopono is, but it's an ancient traditional Hawaiian practice that

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focuses on forgiveness and reconciliation, and most importantly, healing.

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It's based on the belief that our thoughts, actions, and emotions

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can contribute to our problems and conflicts with others.

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It's all about the process of taking responsibility for our own experience.

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The underlying principle of hoʻoponopono is that we're all interconnected.

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And that by healing ourselves, we can contribute to healing

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others and the world around us.

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It's a lovely method that encourages personal growth, empathy, and

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a sense of unity with others.

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So please do sit back.

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I really hope you enjoy exploring this fascinating

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subject with Jackie and myself.

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And if this episode resonates with you, please do feel free to share with any

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like minded people and leave a review on whatever platform you're listening to.

Catherine Edwards:

Hello.

Catherine Edwards:

Hello.

Catherine Edwards:

Hello.

Catherine Edwards:

Um, I am absolutely delighted to be back with actually someone who I spoke

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to, I think it's been a couple of years since almost since we spoke Jackie.

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Lovely, lovely Jackie White from Inspirations PLC.

Catherine Edwards:

So we have spoken before, but it's been a long while.

Catherine Edwards:

So first and foremost, how are you Jackie?

Jackie White:

I'm very well, thank you.

Jackie White:

Yeah, really well.

Jackie White:

Um, yeah, exciting.

Jackie White:

Excited to be on here with you, Catherine.

Jackie White:

Thank you.

Jackie White:

It's been

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so long overdue because Jackie, you're someone that

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I discovered right at the start of all the lockdown processes because

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you're someone that's got such a breadth of interest and knowledge and

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information that you share with everyone.

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But also something that's going to fit really nicely

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into our subject matter today.

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Um, of happiness and, and how we maintain that balance because you seem to do that.

Catherine Edwards:

So before we get stuck into this lovely, lovely subject today.

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Can you just tell us a little bit about yourself, Jackie, and the work that you

Jackie White:

do?

Jackie White:

Lovely.

Jackie White:

Well, thank you, Catherine.

Jackie White:

Um, I started Inspirations Positive Living Group.

Jackie White:

It's almost the 10th anniversary, actually, on the 1st of April.

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Um, we'll be 10 years.

Jackie White:

And that was through, um, I'd run a happiness course in 2000 and And then

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someone that came along on that course, um, started up the positive living

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group in, well, she was doing it in four different areas around Southampton.

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Um, and she was a month in and she said, um, that because of her personal

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situation, she couldn't continue it.

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But would I like to carry on with it?

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And, um.

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And I just knew it was for me, even though I'd been to loads of the

Jackie White:

positive living groups around, I'd never considered doing it for myself.

Jackie White:

I was more interested in just getting the happiness workshops, doing happiness

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workshops and that, so I never really considered running positive living group.

Jackie White:

But as soon as she said that, I thought that encompasses everything I'm interested

Jackie White:

in, because I'm interested in everything.

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So, um, and she, Sally, this was, um, She had got six months of speakers booked up

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in advance because I probably wouldn't have known where to start with that.

Jackie White:

And, um, so I went into it with knowing that I was going to every week, in person,

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we went along to, um, the first venue.

Jackie White:

Wow.

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where she had it in four different venues.

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I changed it just to the one in Southampton.

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I thought then everybody knows it's sort of local to all four areas that

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she had booked up, which was wonderful.

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I did start doing the first, but then I thought it's too much, you know, so we

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just came to Southampton and um, And I ran it in Southampton then for, well, eight

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years before, uh, seven years, obviously.

Jackie White:

Is it nearly three years that we, since lockdown?

Jackie White:

Yeah.

Catherine Edwards:

I know.

Catherine Edwards:

I, I just, where does the time go?

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Honestly.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

Jackie White:

So it was seven years every week in person.

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Um, and then obviously.

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In March, we couldn't go that there to that venue, I never ever considered doing

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anything online, but then a girl messaged me and said, Oh, she knew how to get onto

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YouTube and could we do, would I interview her on YouTube and told me how to do it.

Jackie White:

So I did a couple of them and I thought, well, I was off with that then.

Jackie White:

But obviously I've been taken off of YouTube now.

Catherine Edwards:

Yes, we, I think we went through that sort of similarly.

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This is my second channel, and oh my goodness, the hassle

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of starting a second one.

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All my animal videos, Jackie, just got wiped, because of course I didn't realize.

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That I was going to get my channel deleted overnight with no warning.

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And I had years and years of animal health videos on there

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and I didn't have any backups.

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So you live and learn.

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It's a, it's a good lesson in letting go.

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And I love that because I just didn't know, actually, I must have not asked

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you last time, how you got started and I didn't realize you'd been on this

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journey, you know, and sharing your information and passion for so long.

Catherine Edwards:

That's really wonderful.

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I think one of the things I wanted to ask you first, Jackie, is on this

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rollercoaster, let's just talk about, and we all know the platform we're

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on, so everyone listening is used to the code words, but this rollercoaster

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of life that we find ourselves in, in this human body, on this term

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that we've chosen to incarnate.

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How do you balance, you've, I've seen you talk to so many different

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people over the last few years with so many different areas, some health

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related, some what we would call more the intel related side of things.

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How do you balance finding what's going on in the world with actually

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living your most joyous life?

Jackie White:

Well, honestly, it is through Ho'oponopono, I believe.

Jackie White:

Well, also, like, I trained in 2010 as a happiness coach.

Jackie White:

Um, I mean, I think I'll go back to 1997 when I...

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When I broke my leg and I was able to watch Oprah Winfrey

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every day on the telly.

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Well, my mum looked after me and the boys, which was amazing.

Jackie White:

Um, but she introduced me to the people like Wayne Dyer, Louise Hay, uh, Jerry

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and Esther Hicks, all these different, you know, and it was just like,

Jackie White:

obviously I know that's a name that we don't want to talk about now, but she.

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has done so much good for the world.

Jackie White:

Um,

Catherine Edwards:

can I just say that?

Catherine Edwards:

I think you've hit on something really important there because over the last

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few years we've had so many people saying, oh, you mustn't like that person

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anymore because of certain decisions or certain things that they're supporting.

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But, they've also done so much good to so many people.

Jackie White:

So much.

Jackie White:

So much good.

Jackie White:

Who is she?

Jackie White:

You know, um, Michael Tellinger.

Jackie White:

Is it Michael Tellinger?

Jackie White:

No, Michael Singer as well.

Jackie White:

Michael Singer, yeah.

Jackie White:

Um, yeah.

Jackie White:

You know, the amount of wonderful people that I've seen because I've

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been watching that, that show.

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And then, it was...

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In 2010, in the January, I was watching an old Oprah Winfrey one,

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uh, with Robert Holden in and Well, I was ironing it at the time, but

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just had it on in the background.

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And then I thought, Oh, this is so interesting.

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He was so English and he was in America with her, which

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was like, you know, amazing.

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Went and sat down and watched it.

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And then I come upstairs, got the computer on to see where

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he's based and what he's doing.

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And it, that on my actual birthday of that year was, um, A start and a

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happiness course for coaching happiness.

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So it, and it just really, I'd never, you know, because she talked about it

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so much about life purpose and that, and I didn't know what my life purpose

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was, or I didn't realize that everything you do is actually your life purpose.

Jackie White:

Um, just being aware of that, you know, but searching and, um, but hearing

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him and talking about happiness, I thought, gosh, that is for me.

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And, uh, I just loved it.

Jackie White:

I went away on in late June, um, for just one week, 64

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people from all over the world.

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It was really one of the best experiences of my life.

Jackie White:

Um, I learned about happiness.

Jackie White:

laughter yoga there.

Jackie White:

We went out in Hyde Park every morning doing laughter yoga before

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we went into doing the happiness.

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Not that that was part of it.

Jackie White:

It was just there was happiness, laughter, yoga people there.

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But yeah, it was just the most incredible experience.

Jackie White:

And then I came back from that just wanting to tell everyone what I'd

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learned basically about loving yourself.

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Because that whole, it's called a happiness coaching course.

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coaching happiness, but really it's all about loving yourself.

Jackie White:

It was, um, it was really understanding what it means to love yourself.

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Um, and basically everything since that is really what people want you

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to understand is how to love yourself.

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Um, and Ho'oponopono the same.

Jackie White:

It was quite early on.

Jackie White:

I was running a happiness course and, um, there was a girl on there that

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had the zero limits by Joe Vitale.

Jackie White:

Yeah.

Jackie White:

Yes.

Jackie White:

And that was like a big, um, new self help thing at the time.

Jackie White:

Um, so she said to us about that book, but I got the CD and I was playing

Jackie White:

it as I drove along all the time.

Catherine Edwards:

That's exactly what I did with my friend Rachel and we were

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just like playing it the whole time.

Catherine Edwards:

It was hysterical.

Jackie White:

Absolutely.

Jackie White:

I mean, well, like you said though earlier, we, you forgot about it then I

Jackie White:

did actually because I didn't really, I'm so grateful that he brought that out to

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the world and what he did for Ho'oponopono without a doubt, but um, something

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didn't resonate with me with him.

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And then I found Mabel Katz.

Jackie White:

I don't know if you know Mabel Katz, but she lived with Dr.

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Hu Len, the Ho'oponopono.

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The real man that brought it to the world.

Jackie White:

I think really, um, and she lived with him for 11 years, not romantically.

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She just lived with him because of what she was going through.

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And then when he said he was retiring, she took it over and

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she's written a few books since.

Jackie White:

Absolutely brilliant.

Jackie White:

Um, and what, how she speaks about.

Jackie White:

So where Joe Vitale had just done a couple of workshops with Joe, uh, with Dr.

Jackie White:

Hugh Lennon.

Jackie White:

Mabow had lived with him for 11 years, so really, really resonated with me for that.

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And then I saw Joe Vitale was doing a online Ho'oponopono

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course, and um, so I did that then.

Jackie White:

And then I did the advanced course, so I just love it.

Jackie White:

It just really went in with happiness so well, um, combined,

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that I think that's how I stayed.

Catherine Edwards:

I think most people watching know what Ho'oponopono is,

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but there will be some that don't.

Catherine Edwards:

So could you just tell us the principles of the story behind it and why this has

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been so transformational in your life?

Jackie White:

Absolutely.

Jackie White:

So the first thing I heard about it was the story of Dr.

Jackie White:

Hu Len.

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He had a daughter, 13 years old, who had shingles.

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And he'd been to every doctor and therapist, holistic, da da da da.

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Um, and nothing cured this poor girl.

Jackie White:

But then he went to see Mona Simeona, who was a kahuna in Hawaii.

Jackie White:

That's just a mouthful.

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But anyway, she was um, well known for her Hoʻoponopono teachings in Hawaiʻi.

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And um, so he took his daughter along to see her.

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And, not saying that Mauna cured the girl.

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But the girl was cured after going to Mourner.

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So he knew there had to be something about Ho'oponopono, um, that obviously worked.

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So he went along to Mourner's workshops, um, he went along the first

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time and he just couldn't get it.

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he had to leave because she was on about spirit.

Jackie White:

Um, he was a very logical man, you know, scientific and she was talking about

Jackie White:

hugging trees and elementals and you know, it was just way off of what he understood.

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He went another time again before the third time he just

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thought he'll stay with it.

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So on the third time, which was the late seventies, he went along.

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And he stayed with her then, and he actually stayed with her

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until she transitioned in 1992.

Jackie White:

Um, so he learned from her from late 70s right the way through to 1992.

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And in the midst of that, in the middle of the 80s, he was asked

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to go to a hospital, uh, for the criminally insane patients in Hawaii.

Jackie White:

And at that time, uh, this particular ward had the most awful, well, if we're

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judging, really bad criminals in there.

Jackie White:

They were shackled, highly medicated, um, staffing was horrendous

Jackie White:

because no one wanted to be there.

Jackie White:

The paint wouldn't even stay on the walls.

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So the whole place was very, very unloved and They couldn't keep any staff.

Jackie White:

So he was asked to go there, but he only went on the proviso that he would

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not have to, um, see the patients.

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And he'd just come in, the nurses just thought, well he's a pleasant

Jackie White:

man, but, you know, nothing really.

Jackie White:

He'd just say good morning and go in his room.

Jackie White:

But after about four months, the shackles were coming off, the medication was being

Jackie White:

lowered, the staffing was so much better, the paint was staying on the walls.

Jackie White:

You know, all these things were improving, so they knew he had to be doing something,

Jackie White:

even though it didn't appear that he was.

Jackie White:

And, um, so they asked if he would share with them what he was doing and so he did.

Jackie White:

Um, he'd go into his room every morning, take out a file of one of

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the people, um, patients and read what they'd done and bearing in mind they'd

Jackie White:

committed the most heinous of crimes.

Jackie White:

And he would read through all that and whatever came up for him in reading

Jackie White:

what, what they'd done, if it was anger, Um, if he felt sick, whatever

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situation, whatever came up for him, he would just say over and over again.

Jackie White:

I'm sorry, please forgive me.

Jackie White:

I love you.

Jackie White:

Thank you.

Jackie White:

I'm sorry.

Jackie White:

Please forgive me.

Jackie White:

I love you.

Jackie White:

And thank you.

Jackie White:

And he would just say that over and over again until he

Jackie White:

felt some relief within him.

Jackie White:

The whole sentence, but you don't need to say the whole sentence, but

Jackie White:

just so you've got an understanding of what the whole sentence is.

Jackie White:

I'm sorry for whatever programming is in me that has created this event.

Jackie White:

Please forgive me for being unconscious to my own thought processes.

Jackie White:

I love you, which connects you to your higher self.

Jackie White:

Um, I am returning to source and wiping my inner whiteboard clean.

Jackie White:

And thank you for releasing this programming from my being.

Jackie White:

So, in that.

Jackie White:

All you have to say is, I'm sorry, please forgive me, I love you and thank you.

Jackie White:

But divinity knows that you're actually saying that whole sentence, that you're

Jackie White:

asking to be cleared and cleansed of all these old programs, old tapes replaying.

Jackie White:

So by doing that, he was just making himself feel better.

Jackie White:

Um, really that is the simplicity of it.

Jackie White:

There's a lot more, you know, that I could talk about within

Jackie White:

that, but that is the main story.

Jackie White:

Um, after four years, that entire ward was shut down.

Jackie White:

There was no need for it.

Jackie White:

There were some people that went back to when they had a retrial or whatever,

Jackie White:

they would stand up in court because then the, the inpatients as well were

Jackie White:

told what Ho'oponopono was all about.

Jackie White:

Um, and they would stand up and take 100% responsibility.

Jackie White:

So in doing that, That situation has been brought to his attention, to Dr.

Jackie White:

Huland's attention.

Jackie White:

So it's for him to clear and clean on, because we're all connected in some way.

Jackie White:

Um, and you're taking responsibility for that.

Jackie White:

So whatever comes up in your reality, and bearing in mind, we all know

Jackie White:

that we create our own reality.

Jackie White:

So when he...

Jackie White:

Clearing and cleansing, that he's clearing it for his ancestors.

Jackie White:

He's clearing it for all the people involved, but he's not deciding,

Jackie White:

even though he is reading that and he is just clearing himself.

Jackie White:

It's not that he's clearing what that person's done.

Jackie White:

He's just clearing himself of any feelings that have come up within him.

Jackie White:

Divinity knows what needs to be cleared.

Jackie White:

Not, uh, you are not thinking of a particular situation

Jackie White:

that needs clearing because.

Jackie White:

Only God knows what needs to be cleared from you.

Jackie White:

And he also says if you tried to clear everything that's going

Jackie White:

on in your reality at one time, you'd shrivel up like a prune.

Catherine Edwards:

Yes, now there's a couple of really important things here.

Catherine Edwards:

I'm loving this so much and thank you so much for your support in the comments.

Catherine Edwards:

So one thing, and Harry, connect me if I'm reading your comment wrong, but I

Catherine Edwards:

want you to address this bit here, Jackie.

Catherine Edwards:

Harry's putting a comment, it's all my fault.

Catherine Edwards:

I'm sorry, please forgive me.

Catherine Edwards:

Thank you.

Catherine Edwards:

Um, now can you talk us through where some people are feeling that, you know,

Catherine Edwards:

that, that this prayer is, uh, it's all my fault, which isn't my understanding of it.

Jackie White:

No, not my understanding either.

Jackie White:

I am really, I am 100% responsible, but that's not

Jackie White:

through guilt or blame or shame.

Jackie White:

You are just 100, you just know it's come into your reality.

Jackie White:

So you are 100% responsible, but fault is a heavy, seems a heavy guilt thing.

Jackie White:

Um, so yeah.

Jackie White:

It's just a rewording.

Jackie White:

I do understand why you said that to be honest.

Jackie White:

Yeah.

Jackie White:

Um, because that if you're saying you're 100% responsible, then obviously people

Jackie White:

would think, well, it is your fault then.

Jackie White:

You know, because even now things can happen and you

Jackie White:

think, well, I didn't do that.

Jackie White:

What, but of course I did.

Jackie White:

In some way that's happened and you are always the coincidences.

Jackie White:

If something's happened and you are in that situation,

Jackie White:

what's the common denominator?

Jackie White:

You are there?

Jackie White:

So in some way.

Catherine Edwards:

Is it a bit like the, the net, the question

Catherine Edwards:

that none of us can ever answer?

Catherine Edwards:

If, if a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, did it really fall?

Catherine Edwards:

To me, it's a similar analogy because if it, we know through quantum physics

Catherine Edwards:

now that just the observer effect will affect the reality of what we see.

Catherine Edwards:

So therefore, with all this journey that everyone's been on for let's talk about

Catherine Edwards:

the last few years of awakening but obviously a lot of people have been on

Catherine Edwards:

that journey for a lot longer if you're not observing it is it really happening

Catherine Edwards:

and it's a conscious issue it's a complex issue isn't it but i suppose Am I correct

Catherine Edwards:

in my interpretation, Jackie, that the whole point about this Ho'oponopono prayer

Catherine Edwards:

is it's like pressing the delete, the erase button on the computer and sort

Catherine Edwards:

of resetting because where attention goes, energy flows and we want to reset.

Jackie White:

So we're either coming from memories or we're going to be at zero.

Jackie White:

A blank screen.

Jackie White:

And that's when inspiration can come in.

Jackie White:

So, um,

Catherine Edwards:

you know, people view things and where you put your attention.

Catherine Edwards:

So for me, I had to do quite a lot of work on the intention behind it.

Catherine Edwards:

And I'm a type of person, Jackie, where I can get very in

Catherine Edwards:

my head and overthink things.

Catherine Edwards:

I think most empaths, you know, we do carry that burden quite a lot.

Catherine Edwards:

So is it really, um, about, you know, sort of clearing that intention and starting

Catherine Edwards:

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Jackie White:

Exactly.

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It is just clearing and cleansing everything from

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you and well, I say divinity.

Jackie White:

It's not actually divinity.

Jackie White:

So we have the, um, we have the mind.

Jackie White:

There's three parts in the mind.

Jackie White:

We have the super conscious, which is our higher self.

Jackie White:

We have the conscious mind, which is our mental self.

Jackie White:

And we have the subconscious, which is our inner child.

Jackie White:

And it's our inner child that runs our whole body, remembers to breathe, um,

Jackie White:

Without us having to think about anything, our inner child holds all our memories.

Jackie White:

So when you're actually saying, I'm sorry, please forgive me, I love you

Jackie White:

and thank you, you are saying it.

Jackie White:

Mabel Katz would say this.

Jackie White:

I don't think it's in Joe Batali's, but that's fine.

Jackie White:

But what I love about Mabel Katz, she really acknowledges your inner child.

Jackie White:

So she's, you're saying that to your inner child, loving your inner child,

Jackie White:

that seven year old little girl boy.

Jackie White:

Um, that feels neglected or lost sometimes you're actually apologizing to them

Jackie White:

because they felt neglected or um not secure um so you're actually saying it

Jackie White:

to that the inner child and then the inner child knows because it does you

Jackie White:

All your breathing, it runs your life for you, knows what you need to let go of.

Jackie White:

So it lets it go to divinity, to the higher self, the higher self

Jackie White:

or divinity clears and cleanses.

Jackie White:

And then you come back as a zero at zero, um, with inspiration.

Jackie White:

So when you get an inspiration, when you get a good idea coming,

Jackie White:

um, just act on it straight away.

Jackie White:

Um, So yes, what Harry is saying when we go back to that, you are

Jackie White:

100% responsible because you're not blaming or shaming anyone else because

Jackie White:

there is no one else in your reality.

Jackie White:

It's a big thing to, but our logical mind wants to understand it.

Catherine Edwards:

Yeah, it's such a big thing and I love this comment here.

Catherine Edwards:

I'm sorry.

Catherine Edwards:

I can't pronounce your name very well.

Catherine Edwards:

I'm hopeless with names.

Catherine Edwards:

I do apologize.

Catherine Edwards:

Um, but you know about my tree falling in the forest.

Catherine Edwards:

It is very complex.

Catherine Edwards:

But one of the things I really love about this Jackie is there's a whole

Catherine Edwards:

thing that's come up for a lot of people As you go down the different healing

Catherine Edwards:

modalities, spiritual methods, there's so, so many out there and some resonate,

Catherine Edwards:

everyone will resonate with different things, but this whole thing about

Catherine Edwards:

permission, about Um, permission about do you know, is it right in any way to heal

Catherine Edwards:

other people without their permission?

Catherine Edwards:

So what I love about the Ho'oponopono is you're not doing or projecting

Catherine Edwards:

any energy to other people.

Catherine Edwards:

You're clearing your reality because, you know, he can't, we can't get offended

Catherine Edwards:

by something that isn't in our reality.

Catherine Edwards:

It's us that's being offended.

Catherine Edwards:

I'm not, it's very complicated to explain these things to people, isn't it?

Jackie White:

But it's so simple.

Jackie White:

If you understand it, you know, there's simply that's why I think it's resonated

Jackie White:

with me so much the simplicity of it because you, you know, like Dr.

Jackie White:

Hugh Len, he would just say, right, where's all the bullshit

Jackie White:

questions because everything is.

Jackie White:

Of no consequence.

Jackie White:

If you understand that you've just literally got to take the 100%

Jackie White:

responsibility without feeling any guilt.

Jackie White:

But just know that if it's in your reality on some level, you have

Jackie White:

brought this around in your reality and it's for you to clear and clean on.

Jackie White:

You don't have to worry about anyone else involved with it.

Jackie White:

You just for yourself, just say, I'm sorry, please forgive me.

Jackie White:

I love you and thank you.

Jackie White:

Um, Not even with intention, you're just saying that over and over again because

Jackie White:

that would be one step from being at zero if you were doing it with intention,

Jackie White:

but just, it's a 24 seven thing.

Jackie White:

It's like driving, you get in a car, you don't have to think afterwards, you

Jackie White:

know, we've all said that, but you don't even have to think about how you drive.

Jackie White:

So you don't even have to think about it.

Jackie White:

Literally, you're just saying, and Mabel Katz is even saying that you really only

Jackie White:

need to say I love you and thank you.

Jackie White:

Can you imagine if everybody in the world was saying I love you and

Jackie White:

thank you all the time in their mind?

Jackie White:

What the aura around them with love and gratitude.

Jackie White:

I love you and thank you.

Jackie White:

I love you and thank you.

Jackie White:

If that's going over in your mind instead of what we replay, if there's

Jackie White:

something going on for us and we're replaying it over and over again,

Jackie White:

making it worse and worse in our minds.

Jackie White:

But if we're just saying I love you and thank you, what could be better

Jackie White:

than putting that out into the world?

Jackie White:

I love it.

Catherine Edwards:

I absolutely love it.

Catherine Edwards:

And um, again, it's interesting when you're on this journey of discovery

Catherine Edwards:

and i'm So fascinated by so many of the things and that's why I love the

Catherine Edwards:

fact that you talk to so many people as well because um, I see you talk to

Catherine Edwards:

a lot of people and bring out these different modalities and different healing

Catherine Edwards:

modalities and things and you do it in a very non judgment way because obviously

Catherine Edwards:

Most people who are in the healing modalities are doing it from good intent.

Catherine Edwards:

There's some, there's always a few sort of people in there that are imposters.

Catherine Edwards:

But not everything's going to resonate with everyone.

Catherine Edwards:

So do you help find that by using the Ho'oponohono, you, it helps you

Catherine Edwards:

to stay out of a state of judgment for yourself and for others?

Jackie White:

Honestly, I do.

Jackie White:

Honestly, literally, I just get an idea.

Jackie White:

So, um, I heard Pam Gregory talking about Vida Austin the other day,

Jackie White:

who, you've heard of, um, Dr.

Jackie White:

Emoto with the water.

Jackie White:

Oh, I

Catherine Edwards:

love, that just was one of the transformational

Catherine Edwards:

moments for me, yeah.

Jackie White:

Absolutely, so beautiful.

Jackie White:

And so, Dr.

Jackie White:

Emoto, Vida Austin, um, is now I'm going to be speaking with her.

Jackie White:

So it just come to my mind.

Jackie White:

In fact, I was at a mind body spirit fair on Sunday last week, and I was with

Jackie White:

Joe Hayes, who's here today with us.

Jackie White:

And he said, um, something about Vida Austin.

Jackie White:

And I said, Oh, I'm going to ask her to do a talk.

Jackie White:

And he said, really?

Jackie White:

And then within A day I've got a reply and she's doing a talk with me.

Jackie White:

Yeah.

Catherine Edwards:

I really can't wait to tune into that one because it's

Catherine Edwards:

something that i'm So so passionate about because you know when there's

Catherine Edwards:

so much out there on different levels for everyone and there's beautiful

Catherine Edwards:

supplements people could take, there's tools, there's training you can do,

Catherine Edwards:

there's all these different options open.

Catherine Edwards:

But the thing I love, Jackie, is that there really is something for everyone,

Catherine Edwards:

regardless of what your budget is, what your belief systems, it's important that

Catherine Edwards:

you find Sort of what works for you.

Catherine Edwards:

So talk me through about how important for you, uh, as you've been on this

Catherine Edwards:

journey of talking to lots of different people, discovering lots of, um, realities

Catherine Edwards:

of what things have been coming out.

Catherine Edwards:

You know, we've talked about some of the people like open things like this and

Catherine Edwards:

some of the, I mean, I've never met the woman, you know, I've seen all the stories

Catherine Edwards:

and heard all the rumors, and I'm not saying that I don't believe they're true.

Catherine Edwards:

Um, But taking it back to your example with the Ho'oponopono in the prison

Catherine Edwards:

where these people have done these atrocious things and then they were,

Catherine Edwards:

and this is a true story folks, you can look it up yourselves, rehabilitated.

Catherine Edwards:

How does that make you feel, Jackie, about all these things

Catherine Edwards:

we're finding out in the world and what hope there is for the future?

Jackie White:

Wow, I think that's a perfect example, really, because

Jackie White:

when I hear all this, I'm just straight away, I love you and thank

Jackie White:

you, I love you and thank you.

Jackie White:

Um, clearing that from whatever part I've played in that to

Jackie White:

bring it to my attention.

Jackie White:

So I'm clearing myself all the time, um, and not getting wound up or too

Jackie White:

involved with, with these things.

Jackie White:

I'm then hearing about all the people that are doing so much good for us as

Jackie White:

well on the campaign trails, you know.

Jackie White:

Um, and again, equally, I would just say I love you and thank you to them.

Jackie White:

Um, because the world is working, isn't it?

Jackie White:

You know, that gives you hope, but all you have to do, or I have to do, and I'm

Jackie White:

not saying, I mean, I did go to a talk in Bournemouth two years ago, an in person

Jackie White:

talk nearly two years ago, and there was a girl there, and while I was talking about

Jackie White:

Ho'oponopono, she had a, There was a few of them there, you know, and they were

Jackie White:

all listening and asking questions, it was lovely, but there was one particular girl

Jackie White:

and she was, she had a book up in front of her like, and I said, Are you okay?

Jackie White:

And she didn't respond.

Jackie White:

So I went, I said, Is that lady?

Jackie White:

So the girl next to her said, She's asking you if you're okay.

Jackie White:

Anyway.

Jackie White:

She put the book down and she said, I just don't know what you're

Jackie White:

expecting me to do with this.

Jackie White:

I said, Oh my goodness, I'm not expecting you to do anything with it.

Jackie White:

I'm only telling you how Ho'oponopono helps me.

Jackie White:

But that was a gift to me that she was behaving like that because I just

Jackie White:

cleared and obviously it's still in my mind because that's come up, but

Jackie White:

just a memory of that come up to me then and I'm still cleaning on that.

Jackie White:

But it's just, I wouldn't expect anyone to take this on for

Jackie White:

themselves if it didn't resonate.

Jackie White:

It just resonates for me.

Jackie White:

It works for me.

Jackie White:

I think it keeps me very balanced because I don't, literally the way Dr.

Jackie White:

Hugh Lenz says, you know, anything that comes up because our logical mind

Jackie White:

always wants to analyze and understand everything, make a point, you know how

Jackie White:

sometimes on Facebook or whatever you can see these whole great arguments going on.

Jackie White:

Don't get involved in that.

Jackie White:

Just say, I love you and thank you.

Jackie White:

I love you and thank you.

Jackie White:

You know, we're just putting love and gratitude into the world.

Jackie White:

What could be better?

Jackie White:

It's

Catherine Edwards:

so true.

Catherine Edwards:

And again, I feel like, um, I The last week I've been on quite

Catherine Edwards:

a roller coaster, energetically, and um, I'm, I'm interviewing this

Catherine Edwards:

amazing lady, where have I put her?

Catherine Edwards:

So, I don't know if you've heard of Kelly Thiel, um, don't

Catherine Edwards:

know if everyone can see that.

Catherine Edwards:

Um, so Kelly Thiel, and she's written this lovely book, Unapologetically Glorious,

Catherine Edwards:

and she is a survivor of the NXIVM cult.

Catherine Edwards:

She's been in the series called Seduce, the documentary about her, and that

Catherine Edwards:

book, I would recommend everyone to get a copy of Kelly Thiel's book, Kelly Thiel,

Catherine Edwards:

T H I E L, Unapologetically Glorious.

Catherine Edwards:

Now, for anyone who's been on this self discovery journey, It's such in a powerful

Catherine Edwards:

book, not just about cults or things like this, just about how when we're all

Catherine Edwards:

searching for something outside of us.

Catherine Edwards:

And it's interesting, trust me, I've looked into so many different healing

Catherine Edwards:

modalities and things because I love it.

Catherine Edwards:

I find it all fascinating and also I do truly believe there's

Catherine Edwards:

no one magic pill for anything.

Catherine Edwards:

You know, all these things, as you say all the time, Jackie, they

Catherine Edwards:

have to, um, resonate with you.

Catherine Edwards:

But this is just such a lovely, honest, um, reflection of Kelly's journey of

Catherine Edwards:

realisation that actually this does all come back to the same simple principles.

Catherine Edwards:

When we really want to, yes, we can get caught up in all the

Catherine Edwards:

woes and problems of the world.

Catherine Edwards:

And of course, we're all going to have to go through phases.

Catherine Edwards:

I think it's a bit like the grief cycle to me, Jackie, where you go through

Catherine Edwards:

stages of discovery and realisation.

Catherine Edwards:

and then you decide what you're going to do about it, sort of thing.

Catherine Edwards:

There's lovely spirals of life going around.

Catherine Edwards:

the

Catherine Edwards:

judgment thing, and you said something earlier on, really important, I

Catherine Edwards:

think, about your happiness course was really all about self love.

Catherine Edwards:

Can you talk about that a little bit more and how this plays into people

Catherine Edwards:

being able to cope with everything that they're discovering at the moment?

Jackie White:

Yeah, there's some...

Jackie White:

So much within that.

Jackie White:

So, um, the self love, and I can honestly say I still don't

Jackie White:

100% do self love for myself.

Jackie White:

Like you can realize at times, you know, that wasn't the most loving

Jackie White:

thing I could have done for me.

Jackie White:

Um, but yeah, so when I went on the happiness course in 2010, I I'd heard

Jackie White:

people say about loving yourself and just thought it was a cliche really

Jackie White:

that, you know, never really understood the meaning of loving yourself.

Jackie White:

I honestly didn't.

Jackie White:

And people can think it's a selfish thing, um, you know, to love

Jackie White:

yourself, but in no way is it.

Jackie White:

Um, we could speak to ourselves more harshly than

Jackie White:

we would speak to anyone else.

Jackie White:

We can criticize ourselves so quickly for anything that we do.

Jackie White:

Um, Or just feel bad, make ourselves feel bad.

Jackie White:

There can be people very close to you that know your Achilles heel, and

Jackie White:

they can make you feel stupid or...

Jackie White:

But once you understand happiness and Ho'oponopono, or self love and

Jackie White:

Ho'oponopono, which again are equally, there's so much about self love within

Jackie White:

Ho'oponopono, and at the baseline, I'm sure, is self love for both of those.

Jackie White:

for happiness and um, Ho'oponopono.

Jackie White:

So once you get to understand, so we had 15 chapters throughout that week

Jackie White:

of happiness, and it was all different chapters really, about different ways

Jackie White:

of understanding and loving yourself.

Jackie White:

I'll just tell you this one particular story, one day.

Jackie White:

there.

Jackie White:

Um, bearing in mind, I've never been away from her.

Jackie White:

I mean, ridiculous.

Jackie White:

I've never been on a course or anything.

Jackie White:

This was 2010.

Jackie White:

Um, and I was sat next to go and we were given a project, um,

Jackie White:

like a thing to do where we had to write down 100 words of joy.

Jackie White:

What joy meant for us.

Jackie White:

Um, or, or, you know, words of joy.

Jackie White:

So, uh, compassion, harmony, balance, love, gratitude.

Jackie White:

So, whatever words you could think.

Jackie White:

Positive words, basically.

Jackie White:

A hundred positive words.

Jackie White:

And being the good girl that I'd always been, you know, I'm doing

Jackie White:

these 100 words, da, da, da.

Jackie White:

And, um, I've got to 85 and I've...

Jackie White:

I've looked at the girl next to me and she's literally just written

Jackie White:

the word B, B E, great big, B E.

Jackie White:

And she was colouring the B in, and um, how stupid, but in my

Jackie White:

mind I was thinking she'll be in trouble because she's not doing what

Jackie White:

we've been told to do.

Jackie White:

So then we went round, you know, we had to give a few words each of our

Jackie White:

hundred that no one else had said.

Jackie White:

And I thought, I wonder what she's going to say.

Jackie White:

And anyway, so I said my few words and then it came to the girl next to me.

Jackie White:

And, um, so she said, this is what I've done.

Jackie White:

And it was perfectly fine, of course it was, but she's just being.

Jackie White:

Being.

Jackie White:

And that was such a huge, um, life lesson for me.

Jackie White:

She was being.

Jackie White:

So the sight, she had coloured in the B but left the E.

Jackie White:

So she said, I am becoming me.

Jackie White:

So the B, she'd coloured in because that's the life she'd

Jackie White:

already got to at that point.

Jackie White:

And she'd left the E to be coloured in for what the next

Jackie White:

part of her life was going to be.

Jackie White:

Wow.

Jackie White:

That's deep.

Jackie White:

I mean, that was so beautiful, really.

Jackie White:

It was so wonderful.

Jackie White:

Um, so yeah, that was a good lesson for me in self love, actually,

Jackie White:

because she didn't worry what anyone thought, or if she was going to be,

Jackie White:

you know, obviously not in trouble, but I was thinking, how would she,

Jackie White:

what, how would she explain that away?

Jackie White:

She's not done what she was...

Jackie White:

Anyway,

Catherine Edwards:

isn't it?

Catherine Edwards:

The programming, when we see it, we can laugh at it, can't we?

Catherine Edwards:

Yeah,

Jackie White:

absolutely.

Jackie White:

But that has been, you know, so now when you do a Mandela and that, and you have

Jackie White:

to colour in I love Mandela's, you know, but I always go outside the box now,

Jackie White:

I color outside the box, not just the Mandela inside the, you know, yeah, yeah.

Jackie White:

I just hope I'm more outside the box thinking than I ever was.

Jackie White:

Yeah.

Jackie White:

Um, so self love is just being good to yourself, kind to yourself,

Jackie White:

speaking lovingly to yourself.

Jackie White:

Waking up looking in the mirror and saying, I love you, Jackie.

Jackie White:

Um, just whatever.

Jackie White:

So the most loving person.

Jackie White:

So I always think of the dogs, so I love them so unconditionally

Jackie White:

and um, and vice versa.

Jackie White:

So they really teach you so much.

Jackie White:

And, um, I hope I treat myself the what, same way as I think of them and my sons,

Jackie White:

you know, like I really hope, I love.

Jackie White:

Myself, as much as I can say I love my sons, my family, my, obviously my dogs,

Jackie White:

yeah, it's really understanding that.

Catherine Edwards:

Yeah, I've got Pumpkin, the cat who's come to join and listen,

Catherine Edwards:

so he normally knocks everything flying in a minute, so I'm asking him to say.

Catherine Edwards:

Now talking of which, talking of animals, I find that you can use Ho'oponopono

Catherine Edwards:

very much when you're dealing with animals as well, because when you get

Catherine Edwards:

yourself into that, reset energy, it transfers onto the animals as well.

Catherine Edwards:

So anyone who's got animals that might be stressed or suffering from

Catherine Edwards:

an illness or might be reactive or nervous or whatever, please do

Catherine Edwards:

consider that you can really help your animals by using this on yourself.

Jackie White:

Totally agree.

Jackie White:

Yeah.

Jackie White:

Although I don't always think of that because Freddie is such a live wire.

Jackie White:

I'm not always thinking of how a Pono Pono when he's careering around the room.

Jackie White:

He's 15 months now.

Jackie White:

16 months actually.

Jackie White:

I can

Catherine Edwards:

remember the last time we spoke just after you got him.

Catherine Edwards:

How exciting.

Catherine Edwards:

It's such a wonderful exuberance for life, isn't it?

Catherine Edwards:

And, you know, I think.

Catherine Edwards:

For me, having my animals, um, thank you for all the people

Catherine Edwards:

that are just joining now.

Catherine Edwards:

Thank you so much.

Catherine Edwards:

We've got a lovely, um, comment by Harry here.

Catherine Edwards:

Imagine swimming pools filled with energised water instead of chlorinated

Catherine Edwards:

water and energised ocean fronts.

Catherine Edwards:

Um, yeah.

Catherine Edwards:

Beautiful, beautiful.

Catherine Edwards:

Yeah.

Catherine Edwards:

That

Jackie White:

is, it's all, yeah, how we think of things, isn't it?

Jackie White:

Yeah, so I had to take antibiotics, um, recently, uh, for a gum infection and, um,

Jackie White:

I don't believe they're very good for you.

Jackie White:

So as I was taking them, I was thinking this is really benefiting me, you

Jackie White:

know, like, yeah, also Ho'oponopono, of course, but, but also consciously

Jackie White:

thinking these are really gonna.

Jackie White:

be good for me, not thinking what I really know probably is true of a antibiotic.

Jackie White:

Do you know what I mean?

Catherine Edwards:

I know exactly what you mean and I talk to people as well

Catherine Edwards:

because I work a lot with one on one with people and their animals and um,

Catherine Edwards:

I think this is the issue, is like, for me, all these tools are out there.

Catherine Edwards:

Um, to help us all and use as and when we need because at different stages in our

Catherine Edwards:

life, we'll be drawn to different things.

Catherine Edwards:

So I, Jackie, 100% believe that we can cure anything just by our thoughts alone.

Catherine Edwards:

However, I'm not in control of my thoughts enough yet, despite my years of work.

Catherine Edwards:

to do that.

Catherine Edwards:

So do I believe it's possible?

Catherine Edwards:

Yes.

Catherine Edwards:

Have I seen other people do it?

Catherine Edwards:

Yes.

Catherine Edwards:

Am I at that level of mastery myself yet?

Catherine Edwards:

No.

Catherine Edwards:

So therefore I use a lot of these other supplements, tools, techniques,

Catherine Edwards:

healing modalities to jumpstart me up that process, which is wonderful.

Catherine Edwards:

Um, and some people don't need those.

Catherine Edwards:

So, you know, this is what I love.

Catherine Edwards:

And, and then perhaps if you're feeling a little bit fragile, it

Catherine Edwards:

might help to have some of these tools in your toolkit that you can use.

Catherine Edwards:

And then when you're feeling a little bit more robust, you might not need them.

Catherine Edwards:

So I think this is the beauty of having these things in is, is, um, I was

Catherine Edwards:

speaking to my friend Bryce about it the weekend where we were talking about.

Catherine Edwards:

animals and how we as the human caretakers for the animals in our lives can really

Catherine Edwards:

help them or hinder them with our decision because it works both ways.

Catherine Edwards:

And it's like when you know you've got these tools in your toolkit.

Catherine Edwards:

Personally, I don't get so affected by what might be happening out there so much.

Catherine Edwards:

Of course, we're all connected, you know, what's, what's out

Catherine Edwards:

there is in here and vice versa.

Catherine Edwards:

But it doesn't stress me out anymore because I know I've got things

Catherine Edwards:

that I can do to counteract the challenges that might come my way.

Jackie White:

And that goes back to that, you know, we're either coming

Jackie White:

from memories or we're coming from zero.

Jackie White:

Um, and with that in mind, you know, We're clearing ourselves to be at

Jackie White:

zero so divinity can bring in the inspiration needed for the next step.

Jackie White:

So I don't ever, people say, what's your goal for this year?

Jackie White:

What are you hoping to achieve this year?

Jackie White:

As it comes, I go with it.

Jackie White:

I really, I don't know that I've ever set goals.

Jackie White:

Um, and not only that, it's like starting the new year

Jackie White:

with, um, new year resolutions.

Jackie White:

You just criticize yourself if you don't stick to it, you know?

Jackie White:

So just.

Jackie White:

Yeah, I love you and thank you.

Jackie White:

We are born perfect.

Jackie White:

We are perfect.

Jackie White:

But our memories are not perfect and what I love is with Ho'oponopono, you

Jackie White:

can clear it for your ancestors as well.

Jackie White:

This is the generation, um, if, well, once you understand that.

Catherine Edwards:

Well, I just want to thank Linda's beautiful comment out there.

Catherine Edwards:

Thank you so much.

Catherine Edwards:

I agree with you wholehearted, Linda.

Catherine Edwards:

Jackie, you are a beautiful soul and we are very grateful for you

Catherine Edwards:

sharing these lessons with us.

Catherine Edwards:

We really are.

Catherine Edwards:

Um, because we can get so carried away, can't we, Jackie?

Catherine Edwards:

And I get it with the, you've interviewed a lot of people, um,

Catherine Edwards:

over the last few years who've been bringing a lot of realizations to

Catherine Edwards:

the forefront about what has been going on that we weren't aware of.

Catherine Edwards:

And you can see where the subset, you know, where the sentence ignorance is

Catherine Edwards:

bliss comes from at times, because, you know, do you get to that point sometimes

Catherine Edwards:

where you think you wish you didn't know, but once you do know, there's a reason why

Catherine Edwards:

that's been brought into your awareness.

Jackie White:

Absolutely.

Jackie White:

Um, I don't, um, I don't feel bad in any way for the conversations

Jackie White:

that I've had with people.

Jackie White:

Um, I know I was taking off.

Jackie White:

But, um, I think it's right to bring the awareness of the people that I, you know,

Jackie White:

that resonate with me that I believe in.

Jackie White:

Um, they've done such good works.

Jackie White:

We spoke about John O'Looney, Jacqueline Dunn, Pam Gregory, Donna Maxie.

Jackie White:

They're all going to come to an event I've got in Romsey soon.

Jackie White:

Ray Savage.

Jackie White:

He's all about common law.

Jackie White:

Um, You know, in all of that, I can still be doing ho'oponopono, but

Jackie White:

I can still appreciate that these people have woken so many people

Jackie White:

up to, um, you know, the bravery of John O'Looney for what he's done.

Jackie White:

So, I just honor, honor that, really, by speaking to these people and thank them

Jackie White:

for what they're doing, um, because I was one of those people that was asleep,

Jackie White:

you know, 10 years ago, even though I was on this happiness trail, and that's,

Jackie White:

what's come to wake me up and it didn't, it wasn't a quick journey to wake up and

Jackie White:

I don't say I'm fully awake now, but it's always, we're learning more and more.

Jackie White:

But um, But yeah, I, I like to speak to these people, they're doing amazing

Jackie White:

work for a beautiful golden era.

Catherine Edwards:

You're right, that's why I spoke to, I spoke to um,

Catherine Edwards:

John O'Looney, you can see him on my Rumble channel and Bitchu channel.

Catherine Edwards:

I've spoke, had many conversations with John and with Jacqueline,

Catherine Edwards:

they're the most amazing lady.

Catherine Edwards:

I'm sure Ray, I'm sure I met Ray at the Huna Flesh event

Catherine Edwards:

down in Glastonbury last year.

Catherine Edwards:

I bet you did.

Catherine Edwards:

And he was absolutely amazing.

Catherine Edwards:

And I really wanted to catch up again with Ray.

Catherine Edwards:

So we'll come on in a sec to talk about your events because I really want

Catherine Edwards:

people to know where they can find you.

Catherine Edwards:

And don't worry, Life of Brian, I do trade my mind a lot.

Catherine Edwards:

It's just that I'm It's perfectly imperfect at the moment, and I have good

Catherine Edwards:

weeks and bad weeks, and sometimes I find this work easy, and other times, um, I,

Catherine Edwards:

I don't, you know, and absolutely, I use light therapy, I use sound therapy, all

Catherine Edwards:

sorts of things are beautiful, beautiful.

Catherine Edwards:

Um, so yes, so I'm just going to, I just want you to acknowledge these

Catherine Edwards:

lovely comments and Elizabeth.

Catherine Edwards:

Yeah.

Catherine Edwards:

The prayer is for every relationship that enters your life.

Catherine Edwards:

Yeah.

Catherine Edwards:

This is a really important point, isn't it?

Catherine Edwards:

Never use the prayer to help someone without their permission.

Catherine Edwards:

This has been coming up big time with me, whether it's with, you know, um,

Catherine Edwards:

reading information on other people without their permission or whatever, it's

Catherine Edwards:

something that is very tempting to do.

Catherine Edwards:

But my belief is not that's not what these tools were to be used for

Catherine Edwards:

whatever they might be the tools.

Catherine Edwards:

Talk us through your thoughts on that, Jackie.

Jackie White:

Absolutely agree.

Jackie White:

The thing is with Ho'oponopono, there is only you in your reality.

Jackie White:

So you are only doing it for you.

Jackie White:

You're not thinking of and so that's come into your reality, a situation,

Jackie White:

um, that you would rather perhaps is not in your situation or in your awareness,

Jackie White:

but it's come into your awareness.

Jackie White:

You're not doing it for that person or for those people or for that situation.

Jackie White:

You are just clearing yourself of whatever divinity knows

Jackie White:

needs to be cleared for you.

Jackie White:

So.

Jackie White:

You know, who are you doing for, just for yourself, because there

Jackie White:

is only you in your reality.

Jackie White:

There is no question of what you're doing it for other people.

Jackie White:

Um, you're just allowing your higher self, your divinity, your inner child.

Jackie White:

is keeping you safe.

Jackie White:

The inner child that you've neglected for so long.

Jackie White:

So when you talk about self love, I'll just go back over that.

Jackie White:

When you talk about self love, you really need to be concentrating that as much

Jackie White:

as anything on your inner child, your little seven year old self or younger.

Jackie White:

Um, really loving her, loving him, nurturing her or him, making

Jackie White:

her feel safe, secure, wanted.

Jackie White:

Loved, uh, what she's been missing out on.

Jackie White:

She's then happily clearing and cleansing you of anything that's

Jackie White:

come into your reality that needs to be cleared and cleansed.

Jackie White:

Um, so that's why it's a 24 7 job.

Jackie White:

Um, of course you, you go through times where you don't think of doing it, but

Jackie White:

the more you can do it, for me personally.

Jackie White:

And I tried, I don't even try, I just do it now.

Jackie White:

Um, but it just, I know I'm clearing and cleansing and it's clearing it from

Jackie White:

my ancestors, uh, for, but I don't even need to worry about that, as long as

Jackie White:

it's clearing and cleansing it from me.

Jackie White:

Yeah,

Catherine Edwards:

it's interesting, isn't it?

Catherine Edwards:

Because we humans, we are meant to use all the tools that have been given

Catherine Edwards:

to us and obviously all the ones that have been hidden from us as well,

Catherine Edwards:

which is how joyous it is when you think how much more we can achieve.

Catherine Edwards:

Um, and, um, yeah, I think this is a beautiful thing is it's lovely

Catherine Edwards:

to understand, but we don't need to understand, we just need to do it.

Catherine Edwards:

It's like a lot of these practices.

Catherine Edwards:

You can intellectualize them as much as you like, but if you're not actually

Catherine Edwards:

doing it, nothing's going to change.

Jackie White:

Exactly.

Jackie White:

Yeah.

Jackie White:

And then you just trust that what needs to change, you know,

Jackie White:

in, in your life personally does

Catherine Edwards:

change.

Catherine Edwards:

You hit on something very important at the start of this conversation.

Catherine Edwards:

You can't feel negative emotions to others if they're not within you.

Catherine Edwards:

You know, I absolutely love Wayne Dyer.

Catherine Edwards:

I just love Wayne Dyer's work.

Catherine Edwards:

I keep coming back to it over and over again.

Catherine Edwards:

And you know, one of his favorite SA sayings of mine is if you squeeze an

Catherine Edwards:

orange, only orange juice can come out.

Catherine Edwards:

That emotion can't come out of you.

Catherine Edwards:

Whatever the trigger, unless that emotion is within you in the first place.

Catherine Edwards:

So, these same lessons being put by beautiful, different spiritual teachers in

Catherine Edwards:

different ways, and all these lovely tools that people like Jackie are introducing

Catherine Edwards:

to us, so that we can find what resonates for us and what works for us.

Jackie White:

Absolutely.

Jackie White:

Yeah, and that's all I can say is that it resonated with me.

Jackie White:

It works for me personally.

Jackie White:

Um, it keeps me very balanced.

Jackie White:

I'm pretty sure.

Jackie White:

Uh, can you heal someone else?

Jackie White:

No, there is no one else.

Jackie White:

There is only you.

Jackie White:

So if you feel someone else needs healing, then it's you that needs healing.

Jackie White:

And then you're saying that to heal yourself.

Jackie White:

They are in your awareness.

Jackie White:

But that awareness is you.

Jackie White:

So you're clearing and cleansing for you.

Jackie White:

I'm sorry.

Jackie White:

Please forgive me.

Jackie White:

I love you and thank you.

Jackie White:

I'll repeat.

Jackie White:

Shall I say the whole sentence again?

Jackie White:

What that

Catherine Edwards:

actually means?

Catherine Edwards:

I love it.

Catherine Edwards:

I absolutely love it.

Catherine Edwards:

Please do.

Jackie White:

So I am sorry for whatever programming is in me

Jackie White:

that has created this event.

Jackie White:

For whatever programming is in me that has created this event.

Jackie White:

Please forgive me for being unconscious to my own thought processes.

Jackie White:

Please forgive me for being unconscious to my own thought processes.

Jackie White:

I love you.

Jackie White:

Which connects you to your higher self.

Jackie White:

I am returning to source and wiping my inner whiteboard clean.

Jackie White:

So where we have the picture of just the memories that we come from memories Or

Jackie White:

we have the picture of the blank screen We're wiping our inner whiteboard clean by

Jackie White:

just saying i'm, sorry, please forgive me.

Jackie White:

I love you and thank you And then thank you for releasing this programming

Jackie White:

from me all these old tapes programs, um that keep repeating, repeating.

Jackie White:

We're clearing all of that from us.

Jackie White:

So yeah, that's just as simple as it is.

Jackie White:

I'm sorry, please forgive me.

Jackie White:

I love you and thank you.

Jackie White:

And then our analytical mind comes in with all these questions, but there's no,

Jackie White:

you just, I'm sorry, please forgive me.

Jackie White:

I love you and thank you.

Jackie White:

Um, yes, just the simplicity.

Catherine Edwards:

It is.

Catherine Edwards:

It is the simplicity of it, which is so, so beautiful.

Catherine Edwards:

So, um, talk us through some of the events that you've got coming up, Jackie.

Jackie White:

Uh, well, the most, not every week, but I've now, I'm

Jackie White:

part of Conscious Cafe, uh, which is a global, um, space for people.

Jackie White:

conscious cafe.

Jackie White:

Um, and that's where once a month I'll have a speaker for what

Jackie White:

I love about conscious cafe.

Jackie White:

I will just say why I decided to go into conscious cafe, even though it's

Jackie White:

very similar to what I do, inspirations, positive living, but with conscious cafe,

Jackie White:

everyone gets a voice if you want one.

Jackie White:

Um, And you can just listen if you don't, but we go out into a breakout

Jackie White:

room if it's been online with three questions of what we've been listening to.

Jackie White:

So the first time I went along to a conscious cafe meeting, it

Jackie White:

was about an evening where if you were a father or a mother.

Jackie White:

Um, if you couldn't have Children, if you had postnatal depression,

Jackie White:

you know, there's always something around that that will be for someone.

Jackie White:

And we went off into a small group, four of us.

Jackie White:

And there was all the other groups with these three questions.

Jackie White:

And a girl in our group said that she had had postnatal depression.

Jackie White:

Um, and she'd never spoken about it.

Jackie White:

And the child was like 17 then, um, and had quite a few issues and everything.

Jackie White:

The relief that that girl, she said she'd never been talked about it,

Jackie White:

never felt safe enough to talk about, um, how the guilt she felt within

Jackie White:

herself of, Not being able to bond with the baby straight away, you know?

Jackie White:

And it was just the relief that she felt and how it helped her.

Jackie White:

And I thought, wow, that's amazing.

Jackie White:

So the last one we did was with, um, Alice Heath, and we talked about love

Jackie White:

and unconditional love, and she had three questions, uh, around love.

Jackie White:

What real thought do we, it's so easy just to say love yourself.

Jackie White:

or love unconditionally.

Jackie White:

What do we, how much thought do we really give to that?

Jackie White:

So that was that one.

Jackie White:

Um, this time we've got Walter Boyd.

Jackie White:

He lives in South Africa now, but he's a very good friend of mine.

Jackie White:

Um, so this is all on my website, jackie white.

Jackie White:

co.

Jackie White:

uk.

Jackie White:

But yeah, Walter, he lives in South Africa.

Jackie White:

He went out there at the very start of, we had a coffee together in Shirley,

Jackie White:

um, and he was going out on the Friday.

Jackie White:

Anyway, he's talking with me.

Jackie White:

on the 7th of March about intuition.

Jackie White:

He's so intuitive and he used to go to all the mind, body, spirit

Jackie White:

fairs and, uh, do the dowsing and, um, but he's just so intuitive.

Jackie White:

Such a lovely guy.

Jackie White:

So he's got questions and we're going to break out rooms with what he gives.

Jackie White:

Anyway, that's that one.

Jackie White:

Um, but then we've got this in Romsey on March the 25th, we've got

Jackie White:

Pam Gregory, Donna Maxine White.

Jackie White:

Jacqueline Dunn, John O'Looney is joining us virtually from Milton

Jackie White:

Keynes and Ray Savage on Common Law.

Jackie White:

But it's just going to be a really uplifting.

Jackie White:

These are people that have, through all this three years, have really

Jackie White:

inspired people to, um, keep a high vibration, um, helped us

Jackie White:

navigate through all these times.

Jackie White:

Um, yeah, very, very good.

Jackie White:

John, with his bravery of what he's told, has hopefully made people second

Jackie White:

think about what they want to do when it comes to having anything, you know.

Jackie White:

Yeah.

Jackie White:

So yeah, yeah, just a lovely.

Jackie White:

Gathering of people.

Jackie White:

We've so we've got that.

Jackie White:

And then on the first Tuesday, Thursday of May, I'm starting a happiness

Jackie White:

and ho'oponopono six week workshop.

Jackie White:

That's

Catherine Edwards:

brilliant.

Catherine Edwards:

So is that on because that was going to be my, my, um, my question on that.

Catherine Edwards:

So is that on your website?

Catherine Edwards:

People can.

Jackie White:

Yeah, I've been asked for so long to do it.

Jackie White:

So I've got round to doing that now, but it won't be the only

Jackie White:

one I'll carry on doing them.

Jackie White:

But yeah, I'm very excited to be doing that one.

Catherine Edwards:

Fantastic.

Catherine Edwards:

Well, I, I just absolutely love it.

Catherine Edwards:

I just want to finish off by saying, can you just tell us a couple of

Catherine Edwards:

your biggest aha moments that you've had over this journey of yours?

Catherine Edwards:

Uh huh in what's going on or uh huh about getting back to the simple

Catherine Edwards:

solutions, whatever comes to your mind.

Jackie White:

I mean, that's what's so wonderful really.

Jackie White:

It is just the simplicity.

Jackie White:

So that's the biggest thing for me is just knowing that I've

Jackie White:

always got that to call on.

Jackie White:

Um, whatever comes up for me and obviously life happens.

Jackie White:

So there is things and you don't think straight away.

Jackie White:

Um.

Jackie White:

Consciously Ho'oponopono, but as soon as I do start to calm down and then the

Jackie White:

Ho'oponopono comes in, you know, it's just so that was when you say ha ha moments.

Jackie White:

I know what you mean, but, um, you know, like that B, that girl doing the B, E.

Jackie White:

Yes, that was an aha moment for me.

Jackie White:

Um, oh God, I'm sure there's loads, you know, when, um, I saw Joe

Jackie White:

Dispenza I saw Joe Dispenza was going to be in Birmingham and London.

Jackie White:

And I said to Pam Gregory, who goes all over the world to see him,

Jackie White:

or did do, Um, do you think he'll come to Southampton for us, Pam?

Jackie White:

And she said, no, I don't really, Jackie, because he only does, well,

Jackie White:

he concentrates more on workshops now, rather than evening talks.

Jackie White:

And she said, but here's an email that you could send and just ask the question.

Jackie White:

But she said it took three months for him to do the.

Jackie White:

Uh, whatever you do at the start of a book, you know, testimonial.

Jackie White:

Yeah.

Jackie White:

It took him three months to get that to me, so don't expect an answer.

Jackie White:

And you know what they say, send it to the universe and let it go.

Jackie White:

So, um, I just sent the email off, um, with no expectation whatsoever, but just

Jackie White:

grateful that she'd given me that email.

Jackie White:

The next morning, I had three possible dates.

Jackie White:

That we could work with.

Jackie White:

I mean, see, I'm goosing at that now, absolutely goosing.

Jackie White:

Um, and yeah, so just went from that and then, and then, the speaker that

Jackie White:

I had that week, or a couple of weeks later, when I was just getting around to

Jackie White:

signing the contract, because this was the biggest thing I'd ever done, um, and

Jackie White:

it was huge, like it was such a thing.

Jackie White:

and everything.

Jackie White:

But anyway, I was going to sign the contract.

Jackie White:

Um, and I had this speaker come along.

Jackie White:

I'd never spoken with him before.

Jackie White:

Um, Paul Scadding and he was a, I can do it life coach.

Jackie White:

Um, yeah.

Jackie White:

And, uh, so I had no expectation, didn't know what he was like, but

Jackie White:

I'd heard he was a very nice guy.

Jackie White:

Well, he came up from Bournemouth on the train and when I went to,

Jackie White:

it was a good evening, very funny.

Jackie White:

fell on the floor.

Jackie White:

He just made us laugh.

Jackie White:

It was very good.

Jackie White:

Um, but we had an hour to wait for him to go back to Bournemouth.

Jackie White:

So I took him down to the train station and he started talking about Joe Dispenza.

Jackie White:

And it was like, you know, the synchronicity.

Jackie White:

Um, so I said, and I hadn't told anyone cause I didn't want to put a jinx on it.

Jackie White:

I mean, at that time, that was my thinking.

Jackie White:

This was in 2017.

Jackie White:

And, um, so I told him, wow, just like beside yourself.

Jackie White:

And he said, I'm an events manager.

Jackie White:

I mean, can you believe it?

Jackie White:

So with him and me, and then he brought another girl on board, Liz, the

Jackie White:

three of us, it was just incredible.

Jackie White:

We got the venue, got 450 people came.

Jackie White:

Um, it was just magical.

Jackie White:

It just all fell into place.

Jackie White:

It just

Catherine Edwards:

shows what can be done when you you ask and then let go.

Catherine Edwards:

So let go and let live.

Catherine Edwards:

So Yeah, I love it.

Catherine Edwards:

I love it.

Catherine Edwards:

Jackie.

Catherine Edwards:

I've got so many more questions for you.

Catherine Edwards:

I've absolutely loved it The hour has flown past I'm going to Jackie, back on.

Catherine Edwards:

I know you are very, very busy lady, but, um, it's just, we're just so lovely.

Catherine Edwards:

It's just such a pleasure to cover this now when I think people need

Catherine Edwards:

it absolutely more than ever.

Catherine Edwards:

You know, this is, um, solutions, solutions, solutions is, is I think

Catherine Edwards:

what we need to be speaking about so much and also sending love to

Catherine Edwards:

all these other warriors that are out there doing this hard work.

Catherine Edwards:

and sharing it with us all.

Catherine Edwards:

So there's a place for everyone, in my opinion, on this journey.

Jackie White:

Absolutely.

Jackie White:

Absolutely.

Jackie White:

Thank you so much, Catherine.

Jackie White:

Thank you so

Catherine Edwards:

much to everyone who's joined us.

Catherine Edwards:

As Andrea said, I could listen to Jackie all day.

Catherine Edwards:

So could I, Andrea, and thank you so much, um, you know, for all this.

Catherine Edwards:

We've got some lovely, lovely, um, comments there, um, and we really

Catherine Edwards:

appreciate all your energy of joining us.

Catherine Edwards:

And if this does resonate with you, please do share it with some friends, because

Catherine Edwards:

Getting these positive solutions out to people I think is so it's such a kind

Catherine Edwards:

gift we can do to people because there's a lot of people Who are worrying about a

Catherine Edwards:

lot of areas of their life at the moment?

Catherine Edwards:

so Um, i'm going to be going straight to have a look at your

Catherine Edwards:

course jackie any final words you want to leave everyone with?

Jackie White:

I thank you and I love you.

Catherine Edwards:

Me too.

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Your one-stop Wellness Centre. Expanding consciousness through curiosity, bringing you information on physical, mental, spiritual health & quantum tools for humans & animals. A conduit empowering each of us to be our own life creators.

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Catherine Edwards

Catherine Edwards BSc(Hons) Biology, MBA is the founder of The Live-Love-Learn Podcast, The Catherine Edwards Academy and CatherineEdwards.life. She also works as a private Therapist offering a range of services for animals and humans, both in person and remotely anywhere in the world, seeking to improve their overall health and vitality. Her unique combination of holistic natural therapies provides each customer, of whatever species, with a wealth of information to understand the root cause of any imbalances, addressing the physical, emotional, spiritual and behavioural, and providing lasting solutions to regain balance. Catherine is passionate about expanding consciousness and sharing information, and is known for balancing science, philosophy and practical implementation.